SATURDAY, NOVEMBER 12
NOVEMBER 12 GENERAL ASSEMBLY THURSDAY,
Moderators: Karoline and Omar.
Stacker: David and ?
Shadow Stacker: Caroline and ?
Time Keeper: Mitchell.
Minutes Taker: Dennis de la Vega.
7:37 pm, Elena, Facilities Committee:
7:38 pm, Elena: Is anybody new to Occupy LA? Come on up [and take the mic]. Tell us why you are here.
7:39 pm, A Civic Engagement Graduate: I am here because my major was in Civic Engagement [HE TALKS ABOUT THE OLD 85% RULE THAT THOSE IN PLUTOCRACY ARE THOSE IN THE KNOW; WHEREAS, TODAY THE 99% ARE BECOMING IN THE KNOW].
7:40 pm, : [He, reads our 'Principles of Solidarity'].
7:41 pm, Elena: Reads our 'Statement of Non-Violence'.
7:42 pm, Elena: Defines 'Hand Signals.
7:43 pm: [ELENA ASKS FOR TOPICS OF DISCUSSION].
INDIVIDUAL COMMENTS ON TOPICS OF DISUSSION
7:53 pm: [??].
7:55 pm, Mitchell: I want to say Occupy LA could use a building.
7:56 pm, Daniel: If we can do anything in any amount of numbers... Go Vote. It is the easiest thing to do.
7:57 pm, : There [are] a lot of things going on inside [CITY HALL] that they will be talking about tomorrow. [?LIST OF ITEMS?].
7:58 pm, , Keep'n it Real: Too many starving babies, foreclosures, ... ...we need direct actions.
7:59 pm, : My union and all the other unions are constrained by Taft-Hartley. I disagree with last week's... [and] I think we are the ones who should be the ones to call a date for a 'General Strike'.
8:00 pm, Magda: Let's get a thousand people arrested and show what we can really do and ...show... ...in a positive way.
8:02 pm, Regina, Indigenous People's: We're going to reach out to home schools. ...looking at having a day when we will be reaching out to families.
8:03 pm, Roxanne, Media: [Our] 'Live Stream is not working right now. ...If anybody can help [with 4g system] please make contact at the Media Tent at the top of the South Steps.
8:04 pm, [?]: There is corruption [in donations]. There are homeless veterans and...
8:06 pm, Beth, Social Media: ...We need donations...
8:08 pm, Elise, Actions: Saturday December 3rd there will be a 'Unite at Union' action. Please see me. Action committee meets for a Teach-In on phones. Bring your phones. There will be a non-violence action.
8:07 pm, Sheryl, Civic Engagement: We meet at 6:30 pm West Steps, for Anti-Banking, Corporate Personhoood and foreclosure issues.
8:10 pm, Zero Waste [A SANITATION COMMITTEE]: Will be talking about why we are doing what we do. We meet at 10 am every day.
8:15 pm, Magda, PR and Social Media: [We have] an idea to pass along to the press... ...to state 'Why?' we are here. ...and to say a little thank you to [?authorities?] for their support. Can we take a 'Temperature Check' on that? ...Okay, I see I-don't-see-its... ...and some twinklies.
8:16 pm, : ...concerning a 'Shut Down the Ports' [pertaining to] a dock that is owned by Goldman Sachs.
8:17 pm, Barry, [?Unions?]: [INCOHERENT].
8:19 pm, Jo, Stage Craft:
8:20 pm, Melissa, : Thank you for participating [?someone?] ...and thanks to LAPD for [removing a masturbator-in-public]. ...Please support indigenous people's...
Regina, Indigenous People's: We have a lobby/petition [?concerning?] and to ask [President] Obama to come and support...
AFFINITY GROUP ANNOUNCEMENTS
8:23 pm, [??].
8:24 pm, , Clean Energy and : Two and a half years ago I ...broke gambling... ...and became a persona non-grata. ...John Kennedy ..."We are not here to curse the darkness, we are here to [...]".
8:26 pm, Abe, Existence/Counseling Affinity Group:
8:27 pm, Scott: The inter-faith sanctuary rose in the air ...higher power.. ...Tomorrow the Quakers are going to have a service. ...check it out.
8:27 pm, : I'm looking for people who might want to put on a 'Gift Circle'. Come see me.
8:28 pm, Anthony: ...Violent altercations in the [encampment] and ...awareness when they do happen. ...how to [get these] people to leave the camp. ..resolutions ...on what to do. We are meeting tomorrow at 2 pm. ...please all of you please come to the Occupiers March and Assembly.
8:29 pm, Nick and daughter Elisa: ...for economic justice and economic housing. Please come by our tent we'd like to have a talk with you for your comments.
8:31 pm Tribal: The library should be up and running by Monday.
8:33 pm, Barry: The board of trustees should be meeting. ...to picket at CalState [?] in support of tuitions ...and faculty's demands. A bus will be leaving [for this event].
8:34 pm, : [From] La.indieMedia.org We are in cities like London, Paris ...Portals for open publishing. ...There's the open page....Anybody can publish to La.indieMedia.org.
8:35 pm, : I want to comment on the Quakers coming at 2 pm. It is an inter-faith sharing circle and is about getting in touch [together].
8:37 pm, : For two nights we've been hearing about [not] enough food to feed everybody. ...Just go to your churches. The churches [would] love to accommodate us for food. There should be enough food for all of us, for food, through our different denominations! [CHEERING, SOME APPLAUSE]
8:39 pm, Magda: 12 noon Pacific Time we have a daily moment of silence [in solidarity with all the other Occupations]. ...and we have a friend going to Occupy Wall Street with a card from Occupy Los Angeles. If you want to sign it...
8:40 pm, Ed: In solidarity with Occupy Wall Street. ...I want to share these developments with you...
Richard: Anyone wanting to plan a very successful New Years Eve Party. Those of you who live here shall be known and treated as occupiers.
8:42 pm: Tommorrow every day we have ...Panther Alumni Breakfast ...a breakfast at Aunt Rosa Lee Soul Food, 28th and Western. Afterwards ...Occupy the Hood.
COMMITTEE PROPOSALS [TWO ONLY]
TITLE: RESOLUTION TO DISCOURAGE MIS-REPRESENTATION OF OCCUPY LOS ANGELES
8:44 pm, [??],
8:43 pm, Cody: [This proposal] is [named] 'The Resolution to Discourage Mis-Representation of Occupy Los Angeles' [HE READS THE VITAL SPECIFICS].
QUESTIONS OF CLARITY ON THIS PROPOSAL:
[HE ANSWERS] This is the third time this proposal has come before the GA... therefore, the 90% rule...
8:51 pm, : I want to know if we changed [process].
8:51 pm, : Clearly it requires a 100% [CONCERNING WHETHER THIS IS A STATEMENT OR AN ACTION].
8 53 pm, Elise: [ASKS A QUESTION]. [CODY ANSWERS]: THIS IS ACTUALLY A STATEMENT...
8:53 pm, Elena: It seems this proposal is either an Action of Process or a statement.
9:07 pm, : ...I believe the 'spirit' of the proposal is about... ...If the LAPD wants to get information or make a proposal they can come to the GA... ...get in a stack and [say what they want to say. ...like the gentleman said, they should come to the GA...
9:12 pm, [QUESTIONER]: Has the wording been changed since the original ...proposal.
9:12 pm, Cody: If anybody wants to ...then they should come and talk to me after the GA.
9:13 pm, : It contains two paragraphs that ...to be sent to the LAPD ...and the City Council. ...after so many 'Hard Blocks' does the [?LAPD? continually] keep coming down here with [this issue]?
9:15 pm, : we did consent that the legal document will go throught the public service. ...What I have in my hand is an individual who is doing a litigation and is with Occupy LA... ...I would like everyone to propose 99% [?90%?] consensus.
9:16 pm, Scott: It's about that 'informed consent'. ...How are we going to get 'informed consent' when we can't even do the simplest thing. Why don't you [simply say your (?ulterior motive?].
9:17 pm: [SCOTT AND CODY EXCHANGE VERBAL ATTACKS].
9:18 pm, Elena: We need to have a dialogue.
9:19 pm, Juan: We are wasting time.. ...been talking about this [expletive] for three days... ...nothing is getting done.
[MUCH SPORADIC LAUGHTER AROUND IN RESPONSE TO THE PAST TEN MINUTES OFTHE GA].
9:25 pm, Roxanne: The original wording was for someone who was working on an issue that was in Oakland.
9:26 pm: This is about transparency... co-opting... ...there is so much disrespect in this GA for a proposal EVER!
9:28 pm: ...The GA is already so bogged down. ...My next question is what is the exact wording...?
9:28 pm, Cody: ...There is no specific wording because... ...[INCOHERENT]. ...A permanent march isn't going to happen that day and a permit ...[INCOHERENT] ...9:29 pm: [Elise and Cody exchange a dialogue including such words as "masturbatory b.s.'].
9:29 pm: [MUCH TENSION IN THE BODY OF THE GA AND FACILITIES].
9:30 pm, Elena: Let's have a moment of silence. [THE GA IS SILENT FOR APPROXIMATELY 30 SECONDS].
9:31 pm, Elena: Okay can we all just [have a simple dialogue] ...nobody cussing at each other.
9:32 pm, : We are a Democracy ...Democracy takes time.
9:33 pm, Darren: ...You think this is a problem now, you [have not] seen [anything]! ...I've read this [issue] ...it is manipulative and it is... ...just because Occupy Oakland does it, does this mean we have to do it.
9:35 pm, : This is issue is not
9:36 pm, Roxanne: I would like to see if everyone... [SHE IS STOPPED].
9:37 pm, It is my understanding that this proposal undermines the liaison we have with the [LAPD]...
9:39 pm, Steven: I understand... [HE IS STOPPED].
9:43 pm. : ...we need a How, What, why and I would add a Who? Until we could answer these question this proposal will be 'Tabled'.
9:44 pm, : [??].
9:44 Elena: Is there anybody here to step up to answer these questions [Anthony: ...If you are having a meeting with [authorities] who are allowing us to stay here... ...I would like to [hear about it].
9:47 pm, Cheryl: What about my First Amendment right ...to redress my government.
9:50 pm: [CACOPHONY ENGULFS THE GA AND A "MIC CHECK" RALLY CHANT ENSUES]
9:52 pm: [CHAOS CONTINUES AND NOTHING IS AUDIBLE OVER THE CONSTANT HUM OF THE VOICES IN THE GA].
9:52 pm, [A BARITONE/BASS AND GRUFF VOICE]: This is what Democracy looks like.
9:53 pm: [ANOTHER LENGTHY 'MIC CHECK' RALLY CHANT ORIGINATES FROM THE BACK... THE CONSTANT HUM CONTINUES].
9:54 pm, Elena: We need another moment of silence. ...[NO SILENCE HAPPENED] We need to do 'Break Out' groups and talk about why you like or hate this proposal. ...This proposal is going to be 'Tabled'.
9:58 pm, Elena: Everyone sit down. ...we are going to hear another proposal.
TITLE: ANTI-LOBBYING PROPOSAL
9:59 pm, Suzanne, Objectives and Demands Committee: 'Anti-Lobbying' is the name of this proposal... ...the paid Lobbyist CCA... they the paid lobbyists are drafting an ordinance that will ban encampments on [the lawn]. We propose an ordinance to ban paid local ordinance that. [SHE LISTS THREE ITEMS]
...paid lobbyists ...that are not for the public good. [AND TWO OTHERS]. [SHE READS] An ordinance the puts limits on the ...grounds [...etc.] I can post it at the 'Welcome Tent' [and] I can give out copies right now.
My understanding is that [paid lobbyists] are of a corporation or special interest and...
10:11 pm, Barry: I consider it a ...of 1st Amendment Rights, because Unions have the right to [access] to ... ...and will 'Hard Block' this [?to the ends of this Earth?].
10:13 pm, : That is to say you don't want anyone to lobby at the City Hall. ...We are lobbying right now. ...To say that they are not allowed to do it here is a blatant take away of 'their' First Amendment Rights.
10:14 pm, : It has more to do with the 'business' [EMPHASIS ADDED] that they are doing... ...that is more what this proposal is about.
10:16 pm, : [SHE ANSWERS ANOTHER QUESTION] There is on December 6th another litigation that is companion to that [?concerning?] that [money too speaks].
QUESTIONS OF CLARITY-
10:17 pm, Scott: [asks if the proposal is not just something that brings us closer to getting kicked out].
10:18 pm, : Is this a dual proposal ...that you are trying to get passed.
...that every single level of our government is
...and if we get it passed right...
10:26 pm, Elena: Can we take a 'Temperature Check'?
10:26 pm, [THERE WERE THREE HARD BLOCKS].
10:27 pm, [FIRST HARD BLOCKER]: My ...is that this is directly against 'Citizens United'.
10:28 pm, :[ELENA CLARIFIES, HE TAKES AWAY HIS HARD BLOCK].
10:29 pm, [2ND HARD BLOCKER]: [??].
10:29 pm, [ELENA TELLS HIM "THAT WAS ALREADY SAID"].
10:30 pm, Barry: [?CONFLICTS?]...It says that instead of trying to protest this thing we are... Specific Lobbies are trying to get us out. Why don't
10:31 pm, Suzanne: We actually have friendly City Council that might help... ...do this. ...They don't conflict.
10:33 pm, ...said "there are Unions here" ...threatens our solidarity. ...Like what Union are you [POINTS TO MAN IN THE CROWD]...[GIVES EXAMPLE].
10:36 pm, Suzanne: We are proposing to create this... it/[the proposal] doesn't say this is it.
10:37 pm, : We are being clear that 'they' are being paid.
10:38 pm, Regina: The point of clarification is 'what kind of lobbyist we are [prohibiting].
10:39 pm, : We don't have to b
10:42 pm, Barry: ...Corporations versus Union Lobbyists...
10:42 pm, : As long as this material distinguishes between Unions and Corporations...
10:43 pm, Cheryl:
10:45 pm, : Let's remind ourselves why we are doing this ordinance draft... There is an ordinance being done by ? and ? to kick us out. ...We are not starting a fight; but, [rather] defending ourselves.
10:46 pm, : [?It's like?]...The Union is in the lead now, but sooner or later they're going to have to step back...
10:48 pm: [CONSENSUS WAS REACHED ON THIS PROPOSAL TO DRAFT THIS PROPOSAL].