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There was no reason for the deletion of that thread. It had opened up healthy dialogue about how to fight for a cause without the use of violence. Moderators, can you please tell me why it was deleted?
I am posting my response to Yvonne in case she didn't see it and her original post to me. There is nothing in here worthy of being CENSORED!! please leave it be.
YVONNE WROTE:
Yes, it is a RevolutionSubmitted by Yvonne de la Vega on Thu, 10/27/2011 - 1:04pm
Revolution does not in any sense of the word mean violence. And no one is Glorifying it but merely stating common knowledge. We are in The Revolution, THIS IS A REVOLUTION. Try moving away from your pop knowledge and get educated:
A revolution (from the Latin revolutio, "a turn around") is a fundamental change in power or organizational structures that takes place in a relatively short period of time. Aristotle described two types of political revolution:
- Complete change from one constitution to another
- Modification of an existing constitution.[1]
Revolutions have occurred through human history and vary widely in terms of methods, duration, and motivating ideology. Their results include major changes in culture, economy, and socio-political institutions.
Scholarly debates about what does and does not constitute a revolution center around several issues. Early studies of revolutions primarily analyzed events in European history from a psychological perspective, but more modern examinations include global events and incorporate perspectives from several social sciences, including sociology and political science. Several generations of scholarly thought on revolutions have generated many competing theories and contributed much to the current understanding of this complex phenomenon.
MAHAYANA WROTE:
Yes Yvonne, I knowSubmitted by Mahayana on Thu, 10/27/2011 - 1:38pm
Yes Yvonne, I know "Revolution" does not mean violence, but can you name off occurences in history where there has been a "fundamental change in power or organizational structures that takes place in a relatively short period of time" where violence was NOT involved?
The original poster is clearly advocating violence:
"Nothing will be resolved without violence. Nothing ever has, and nothing ever will."
My dear, I did not get my knowledge of Revolution via pop culture. If I remember correctly, it was you who said:
"When first hearing of Occupy Los Angeles, it occurred to me that the decades long Revolution that began in the 1960’s with Dr. King, Bob Dylan, The Last Poets, the '60's and The Summer of Love, with Jim Morrison who shouted “WAKE UP!!!”, including the many students of Jackson and Kent State, Berkley. Later, Rage Against The Machine and countless others since then until nowis this same Revolution, it hit me that, this is it. The Revolution has come to a head, Revolution is no longer a performance poet’s buzzword... but it’s become the reality we've all been waiting for, for a very long time."
It sounds like you are the one who has the pop culture take on all of this.
Every person I have come across that has fled here from other countries undergoing a revolution or Civil Wars for safety of themselves and their families, will be the first to say you do not WANT a revolution. They have seen the death and destruction that comes along with it. As I stated before, Revolutions are sometimes necessarry and worth dying for. Hopefully we are able to accomplish our goals without the death and bloodshed.

Can I get a mod to respond?
Submitted by Mahayana on
If you are going to delete threads, please at least explain your reason for doing so.
The legitimate object of government, is to do for a community of people, whatever they need to have done, but can not do, at all, or can not, so well do, for themselves - in their separate, and individual capacities. -Abe
Plus....
Submitted by Mahayana on
You could have just deleted the offensive post itself, NOT the ENTIRE thread. Censorship is counter-productive to this movement.
The legitimate object of government, is to do for a community of people, whatever they need to have done, but can not do, at all, or can not, so well do, for themselves - in their separate, and individual capacities. -Abe
The only problem with this Revolution
Submitted by Yvonne de la Vega on
is there are way too many trouble makers within the camp, giving it a juvenile sense of being. Now I understand why the moderators moderate what they must. If they didn't there would be a revolution within the revolution arguing about what a revolution in the revolutionary is revolutionizing in the revolt of the rebel rousing revolution against revolving doors in some people's minds. how revolutionarily cool and woo hooo ...native intelligenzia. i'm frickin' stymied. where on god's green earth do these people come from, and why does argument for the sake of argument take the place of their regular reality tv show? somebody pleeeaase pay for this person's cable!! THEY are counter-productive to this movement! and PS. If a moderator deletes this thread again you can be sure I won't be asking for an explanation. here's the part where I can't stop laughing. hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!
"The Revolution will not be televised, it will be on Youtube." -Yvonne de la Vega
Yvonne, I am having a hard
Submitted by Mahayana on
Yvonne, I am having a hard time comprehending what you wrote (it's a little incoherent) & what your point is. There was simply one guy (the original poster) advocating violence. There were a few responses (mine included), most of which were saying this doesn't have to be violent. You were the only one that got stuck on the definition of "Revolution" and totally missed the point.
The legitimate object of government, is to do for a community of people, whatever they need to have done, but can not do, at all, or can not, so well do, for themselves - in their separate, and individual capacities. -Abe
It's just a fucking
Submitted by cryptomnesiac on
It's just a fucking discussion.
I'm sorry everyone isn't adequately dynamic and blurry with actioniness for you.
Go propose something.
Mike C.
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Who said this is a "Revolution"? More like CONSCIOUS EVOLUTION.
Submitted by helper on
I dont want REVOLUTION i want ANARCHY AND PEACE>(LOCAL SUSTAINABLE COMMUNITY IN BALANCE WITH NATURE)
I DONT WATCH TV NOR DO I OWN ONE..sounds like YOU ARE THE brainwashed SHEEPLE telling people to go "WATCH CABLE"? when you should be saying DEATH TO HOLLYWOOD!!!! WTF? KILL YOUR TV, basically the BIGGEST PROBLEM the "movement" faces!!! FUCKING BULLSHIT MAINSTREAM CORPORATE MEDIA!
then a complete flame
Submitted by alhs06 on
See what I mean? Mr/Mrs Mod you getting the picture now? LMFAO!
LOCAL SUSTAINABLE COMMUNITY IN BALANCE WITH NATURE
Submitted by Mahayana on
Hell yes, you said it perfectly. This is EXACTLY what I want too.
The legitimate object of government, is to do for a community of people, whatever they need to have done, but can not do, at all, or can not, so well do, for themselves - in their separate, and individual capacities. -Abe
IF PEOPLE IGNORE THE CULTURE/LIFEWAYS OF THE ORIGINAL...
Submitted by helper on
IF PEOPLE IGNORE THE CULTURE/LIFEWAYS OF THE ORIGINAL PEOPLES OF THE LAND WE ARE "OCCUPYING" that is the BIGGEST HYPOCRISY/INSULT....



The only JUST/FAIR/SUSTAINABLE FUTURE is by learning from those people who found ways to LIVE AND SHARE THE WORLD/EARTH..with CULTURAL "LAW" which CULTURALLY LIMITS UNFAIR/UNSUSTAINABLE GROWTH!....THE SOLUTION IS RIGHT THERE. dont ignore history. Learn from the old ways...apply it to the new.
If people wish to spend their time on it...
Submitted by Fex on
If people want to spend their time on the forums arguing that point, why not let them? No one is forced to read it nor forced to comment. Apparently some though did feel it was worthy of their time and discussion. If it didn't break forum rules, why delete it? Mahayana is simply asking why it was deleted, I see nothing wrong with that. I also do not see it hard at all for when a post or entire thread is deleted for a moderator to leave a brief comment and explanation saying why, even something like "Post deleted due to violating <insert forum rule>."
"Word following word- I wrought words. Deed following deed, I wrought deeds." - The Havamal
How about a meeting and a concensus vote
Submitted by Seth Spinolla on
Without free speech no search for the truth is possible, no discovery of truth is useful. Better a thousandfold abuse of speech than denial. The abuse dies in a day, but the denial slays the life of the people, and entombs the hope of the race.
Probably because there is no
Submitted by Yvonne de la Vega on
Probably because there is no button for
"Post deleted due to consistent negativity."
"The Revolution will not be televised, it will be on Youtube." -Yvonne de la Vega
What happened to my post's?
Submitted by alhs06 on
Why were my 2 post's deleted?
They were not advocating violence or were they name calling or confrontational.
I'm an administrator on a private site, I started as a forum mod & was trained to be flexible, if I thought something was not really flaming or not really nasty dirty, but it still didn't smell right, I'd get another opinion from another mod, super mod or admin. But I never imposed shoot from the hip censorship. I've seen what it leads to, an elevated edginess to the next few post's in challenge/retribution then a complete flame leading to expulsion from the site, I saw this happen to good & not so good members as well as a great mod & a great admin.
Lets practice some common sense in providing you moderator duties, whadda ya say, aye Sport?
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Submitted by Mahayana on
The moderator had time to delete your posts and other pertinent threads, yet decided to leave up a page worth of spam. WTF?!
The legitimate object of government, is to do for a community of people, whatever they need to have done, but can not do, at all, or can not, so well do, for themselves - in their separate, and individual capacities. -Abe
So this is what its come to?
Submitted by Supersean on
How sad.
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